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[nny]

I don't like watching porn.

Shocking, eh?

I think everyone in my RL assumes that I enjoy watching porn, because of the amount of time I spend either talking about sex, interpreting people's comments in a wrong and immoral manner, or speculating that people (or, indeed, fictional characters. Or cartoon characters. Or certain celebrities. Male friends. Household appliances) are shagging.

Sex is probably one of those things that's amazingly fun, once you're actually participating. But it looks bloody ridiculous. Like those people who roll cheeses down hills, and chase them. Exhilirating, not something one talks about in public, and potentially damaging.

I don't know. I don't think the human body is a particularly attractive thing. Certain parts of it, very much yes - I like breasts, hands, forearms, necks. But I also like the way people look in clothes, and will find someone far more attractive, nine times out of ten, when they're in a good suit rather than their underwear. Paul Bettany is a man who knows the value of a good suit, and that coupled with his excellent sense of humour is the basis for the majority of my crush on him.

I do not think genitalia is particularly attractive. And most of the sex that porn stars indulge in looks... desensitized, in a way. Painful, almost. Frantic. I think... it's all about the pleasure, the sensation, which is fine enough in its own way, I suppose. But if it's all about the physical sensation, then you might as well buy a vibrator.

I'm a romantic at heart. I've come to terms with this. Sex, for me, is connection. Potentially - always potentially; I've not done the whole sex thing. But it's more than just fingers and tongues and various implements.

*shrugs*

I'd rather read a long story with an inordinate amount of sexual tension followed by a kiss. I'm not interested in PWPs, either... if there's no emotion there it might as well be a manual for putting together some sort of Swedish bookshelf. Insert dowel (a) into slot (b). I can get way more satisfaction out of a well-characterised angel and demon snarking in a bookshop and making each other tea than shagging for the sake of shagging.

Maybe I'm immature. Maybe I'm just a big girl.

Whatever.

Anyway, there's me living up to my disclaimer, for once. Happy to discuss. ;)

Oh, and mum? If you're still reading? I totally warned you.

Comments

[ashen_key]

I don't think the human body is a particularly attractive thing. Certain parts of it, very much yes - I like breasts, hands, forearms, necks. But I also like the way people look in clothes, and will find someone far more attractive, nine times out of ten, when they're in a good suit rather than their underwear.

I? Very, very, very much agree. And I think my trying to find icons for scion_of_amber has only made this more clear to me. The PB, Heather Carolin, is a Playboy model.

She is far, far prettier with her clothes ON. Otherwise, I'm just kinda wincing for her pride and want to put a blanket on her.

[vivien]

Porn is just ridiculous. Fake people having fake sex just doesn't do it for me at all. Now, a movie like Room with a View in which there is one kiss and then one final romantic scene with just kissing will just make me go... SIGH! and SWOON!

I would much much rather see someone in clothes, because what's hidden and then slowly revealed is so much more interesting than something that's just put out for anyone to see. The brain is the most important sex organ.

I agree with you - sex is all about connecting with someone, with giving and receiving, and basically, enjoying the things your funny-looking body can do and feel.

You're not immature at all. You just have good taste.

[gramarye1971]

Word -- I feel the same way. I do admit to liking the occasional PWP (if I like how the characters have been written), but its equivalent on celluloid (or whatever format the porn is in) does nothing for me.

I look at it this way. There's a hypothetical book with a sex scene in it, and that sex scene has the ability to reduce me to quivering bliss every time I read it. Now, you could make a film out of that book, and film the sex scene with the two actors that I would say are absolutely perfect for the roles, and the sex scene is done 100% according to the book. It's as if the characters stepped off the page and came to life and did everything exactly as I'd imagined they would.

I can tell you right now that seeing the sex scene on film would leave me cold.

So yeah. Porn on film doesn't do it for me. And most of the time, other forms of erotica don't do it for me, either.

[iibnf.livejournal.com]

Porn puts me off food. It's the only thing that puts me off food. I can vomit, and still eat, but yeah, not when there's porn around. I think I should put a picture of a huge snatch up on my fridge, as a dietary aid.

[cyanei.livejournal.com]

I think it's so funny that people think genitalia looks rediculous. I mean, I can see where it's coming from, definitely, but I think genitalia looks like genitalia and as such = turn on. Of course, my mind is thoroughly male, so. To me, porn = yay. However, your viewpoint isn't immature and is actually really quite common. ( :

[tropes.livejournal.com]

I like porn.

I think I am in a minority within my sex.

My sister likes porn, too; perhaps it is genetic?

I have to say, I'll always have a preference for literary porn, because words are sex. And I'm not so much into porn as films as porn as pictures and words and such.

Hm.

And, I have to say, there are sex scenes in movies that are just pure bliss, but they are rare. Mostly, the actors just look kind of drugged. =)) Angelina Jolie's sex scenes are incredibly hot, and are the exception to the rule.

Hm!

So.

I guess I'm done? Blah, scattered.

Oh! And, I like the dick. :D I even like how it looks. It's kind of silly, but by God. It's also good fun. :>

[tammaiya.livejournal.com]

You're not immature, Nny. The majority of women actually feel that way-- we're wired to respond to romance rather than sex by itself. I like a good sex scene in fic, but only if it's the climax to a good lead up, and most of the time I'd be perfectly happy without it and might skim it, depending. I definitely agree that people look more attractive clothed, at least initially.

[darthrami.livejournal.com]

There are articles, somewhere, about how more guys watch porn and more women read erotica, because guys get stimulated by the visual while women are stimulated by words. Whether or not that's true, I don't know, but 99.9% of the time, porn doesn't do anything for me, so you're not alone in that boat.

[ms-ntropy.livejournal.com]

The "Bunker Scene" from Enemy at the Gates, and lest we forget the "Food Scene" from Hot Shots.

What? I'm just helping here!

[ms-ntropy.livejournal.com]

Sex, like many bodily functions, is wierd. It's all funny and awkward and just not that attractive to consider without a little spin. Mmm, Spin.

As for bits? Well, they're just bits. I'll admit that there might be a bit of a bias for me here. I was raised in a house of medical professionals, so I've kind of always seen anatomy as just being that. Sometimes a bit is just a bit.

But when that action potential is reached, well then all bets are off.

People are attractive, bits are just bits.

[sophistry]

Hm. Certainly I will always prefer stories with a bit more meat to them (no pun intended), but when it comes to fanfic in a fandom I'm already familiar with, I'm perfectly happy to read a PWP (as long as it's well-written, of course). Because in fanfic, for a canon you already love? You already know the characters - the emotional connection is already there. Obviously, if it's a fandom I'm just getting into, or a ship I'm not convinced of or whatever, then I'll take a bit of that lead-up, please.

I mean, to give two contrasting examples - Aziraphale/Crowley is a ship that I can see occurring naturally after canon, and I love fics that show that. But because I can believe in the ship so easily, and take it practically as a matter of course that, barring unforeseen obstacles, they are/have at one point been/will eventually become involved, a well-written and at least mostly-plausible PWP is wonderful.

Conversely, in HP, my big guilty pleasure is/was Snape/Lupin. However, given canon, it's just so damn implausible that unless a fic was going the way of the UST-angry-outburst-devolving-into-angry-sex (and even then), I simply cannot stomach a PWP. I need it led-into, built up, and made plausible; otherwise it's just plain OOC - it isn't the characters I love, and thus might just as well be anonymous porn.

[sophistry]

You are not alone! I also like porn. I'll generally prefer literary porn over a porn film, and a longer fic over both, but basically it just depends on one's mood, I find. Sometimes you're feeling sappy and romantic, and sometimes you just feel horny.

Also, I am so with you on the Angelina Jolie sex scenes. Even that ridiculous one in Mr. & Mrs. Smith was FWAH.

[villainny.livejournal.com]

Hmm. See, I would disagree with you on the Good Omens front. Good Omens is kind of like Due South - the characters are just kind of unlikely to have random sex. When I say PWP I mean very much that - without any sort of plot whatsoever. I've read sex stories that I personally wouldn't consider to be PWPs because of the way that details are filled in throughout; little hints of what's happened before, what's led to this point...

Then again, perhaps it's that my definition of PWPs varies according to how well I know the fandom. My canon knowledge is naturally going to affect how I see the actions and reactions of the characters - if the PWP is a missing scene type, then I automatically fill in all the relevant details to get them to that point.

I suppose it's a writing-quality thing, more than anything - I don't have the confidence to attempt PWPs (unless they involve manacles and are for someone specific, I suppose XD) and make them believable. If someone can make them believable, I'll consider it a story.

Aah, Snape/Lupin. Those were the days. I only ever found about four fics that worked for me, there.

[villainny.livejournal.com]

*cracks up*

See, I suspect my flatmates might protest that, but I can see where you're coming from. XD

[villainny.livejournal.com]

I guess the key factor is that I'm not involved in the porn, and it's not someone I'm attracted to. So it is anonymous genitalia. Therefore I can recognise, dispassionately, that it looks somewhat ridiculous. XD

[villainny.livejournal.com]

Words are absolutely sex. They allow you to insert your own mental image, and to identify, and suchlike.

Sex scenes in movies will always do more for me than actual porn because, again, I know and/or care about the characters. There's some sort of emotional involvement there.

I mean, I dare say that when I actually get around to the whole sex thing, I'll think it's the best thing ever. It's just that when it'd divorced of all context, I don't find nudity humungously attractive.

Anonymous genitalia is just funny-lookin'. If it's attached to someone you feel something about, or if it's mentally associated with good feelings, or whatever, I can see that it'd be a different matter. Just, right now? Not for me.

[villainny.livejournal.com]

HEE dude, I so want to cook bacon on someone's stomach. That is, without question, SEX.

[villainny.livejournal.com]

....I'm a girl? GOOD GOD MAN! XD

I have a much more up front attitude towards sex mentally than the majority of my female friends... but then, most of they's having it. It's very odd. Once I start having sex I suspect I'll be a fucking nightmare.

[villainny.livejournal.com]

I always attempt to make myself subvert that kind of thing, because I hate being a statistic.

I'm kinda getting to the point where I yell SCREW THE STATISTICS and just own up to what I, personally, like. That's the part that matters.


I am using this icon because I haven't used it yet and OMGAPPROPRIATE.

[villainny.livejournal.com]

Yes.

Yes, precisely. Which is why porn does veryverylittle for me. They're not people, they're the housing for bits. And bits look somewhat ridiculous, out of context.

I don't mean to be OMGSOJUDGEMENTAL of porn stars - I'm sure they're lovely people. But I don't know that. Y'know?

XD

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Visual porn can be titillating. It can also be gross as hell. Depends on many things: how you're wired, how it's portrayed, who's on display. Most het porn is, to me, dull or icky. The men in het porn are pretty skanky, the women doing things I can't imagine myself doing (moaning in ecstacy as ejaculate rains upon their breasts--okay, I'm really not getting this). Gay porn has nicer-looking men but they're still kind of dully mechanical about it. Girl/girl porn is usually made for the enjoyment of straight men, which has its advantages (the women are feminine-looking) and disadvantages (it still seems to be all about the penetration). Which is why I really only find girl/girl bdsm porn anything I'll go back to twice. A girl bound up in rope on display, or being worked over with a flogger by another pretty female, is sexier to me than mere flesh-on-flesh orgasmic single-mindedness.

[la-rainette.livejournal.com]

I think porn, the way it is made most of the time, targets its audience rather well, as in: it is a GUY'S thing, really. From what I know, blokes are more into the whole "this bit fits into that and let's go" concept than girls. (I'm simplifying, of course, so don't go "But I am a girl and the mere sigh of genitals turn me on", it's all very vague and general and I AM AWARE OF IT).

So -- despite obviously having done the real thing *g* -- I am totally on your side here: porn looks ridiculous and doesn't turn me on in the least. I think this is also why women who find the thought of two men together really erotic would rather read/write slash stories written by other women than watch gay porn movies. And honestly? *grins* I have read PWPs written by gay males, and SORRY GUYS, doesn't work for me either.

[la-rainette.livejournal.com]

The mere sigh of genitals *cracks up at own typo* Dude, I am SO not deleting this.

I meant the mere SIGHT, of course. *g*

[la-rainette.livejournal.com]

I don't buy that, cos to me at least it's less visual vs. words than really limited visuals of bits mechanically linked together (and bits are just bits, as Karen justly said) vs. the whole human body in an intimate, sensual experience.

But then, maybe words are just less ridiculous than pictures in this context, I don't know *g*

Anyways, about statistics? I suggest you go read beagley's post on statistics, I think you'll enjoy it.

[ms-ntropy.livejournal.com]

I'm a soft-core person myself. Give me some softened lenses, a little saxophone music, and a couple implausible positions...and given the right mood...I'm all melty.

Of course, not given the right mood, and some snacks, and I'm all for the MST3K'ing.