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[nny]

I've just lost a flatmate.

If you find her, look after her for me, 'k?

Best of luck in Scotland, Jock Jock darlin'.

:(





In other news, linnpuzzle is after ideas for symbols for Aziraphale and Crowley. Me, I suggested a cuppa for the angel and a Bentley sign for the demon, although house plants, books, plant misters and the like are all equally viable. Someone mentioned a halo for Aziraphale and a pitchfork for Crowley, and that rubs me up the wrong way. I had a very strong NO reaction to that one. It's even in the book:

"But it won't be as interesting. Look, you know I'm right. You'd be as happy with a harp as I'd be with a pitchfork."
"You know we don't play harps."
"And we don't use pitchforks. I was being rhetorical."

What makes Aziraphale and Crowley so much fun and so fascinating to attempt to characterise correctly is that they're not traditional. It's not even close to being as simple as 'angel' and 'demon'; they've learned from humanity and in 6000 years they've changed to the point where neither of them, if reassigned back 'home', would have a chance of fitting in without serious readjustment.

They got along. They nearly understood one another. He sometimes suspected they had far more in common with one another than with their respective superiors. They both liked the world, for one thing, rather than viewing it simply as the board on which the cosmic game of chess was being played.

It's what makes the slash theoretically possible, it's what makes their friendship both possible and important enough to both of them to be willing to get apocalypted side by side, it's the reason the book is as fantastic and as rereadable as it is.

So... yeah. I'm gonna vote 'no' on that one.



And apparently we have two knives left after the Jock Jock strategic retreat. So no one's invited for dinner. XD

Comments

[unravels.livejournal.com]

I said Aziraphale could have a halo as long as it was crooked. ;) I do see your point, though, in that what represents them best is not their official 'sides' but what they've become. I guess I was looking at it in terms of their position within the book as it's laid out originally - angel (and rare book dealer) and angel (who sauntered vaguely downwards). The separation at the start that they had to overcome.

I suspect I'm not making sense anymore. Hee.

Also, sorry about your flatmate having to go. Changes like moving to a new place (or watching friends do so) are universally horrible, even when moving is what you want.

[villainny.livejournal.com]

It's interesting, though; I think Aziraphale is more an angel than Crowley is a demon, if that makes any sense. He likes his little pleasures, and he can be a bastard when he wants to, but the time when he's most severely bastardly is when he's lying to Shadwell about the number of nipples Adam has. In order to get him killed... because he's the Antichrist.

They both like humans, absolutely, but Aziraphale... it's more in the job description than it is for Crowley. When it comes down to it, with the selling of books and suchlike, Aziraphale is actually quite dismissive of humans. He's not terribly fond of them, he dislikes Australia, implies that Americans are stupid, isn't even terribly fond of the British. I think he likes people in theory, but in practice... not so much. Especially if they're trying to buy his books.

Again, this is all during the book, though. At the end he changes quite dramatically. It's like a revelation - things coming home to him in a more immediate way. When he sees that the Antichrist is also an eleven year old boy. I think after the book he'd have more than merely a professional interest in humanity, you know?

Which is how I excuse Aziraphael inna bar. That's my theory and I'm sticking with it.

Shut up. XD

[unravels.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I do think his interest in humanity would have taken a sharp turn upward after the book. It always kind of shocks me when I come to that part where he lies about Adam's nipples, but he's frustrated and in a hurry... and when he actually sees Adam it doesn't seem like such a fabulous idea after all. I don't suppose this is a very good excuse, but. Adam's technically a Bad Guy, and all, as far as he knows.

But I don't know that you need to work to excuse Aziraphael coming to the bar at the start beyond the fact that he could often find Crowley there. He always seemed to hold more of Aziraphale's interest than the humans anyway, even in the book. Obviously. :P

[linnpuzzle.livejournal.com]

My poor Nny. *snugs* Good flatmates are hard to come by.

Oh! And about the symbols, since people suggested halo and pitchfork, I almost want to go with those. Except, you know, with a big line over them in a circle, like the non-smoking signs. :D

[villainny.livejournal.com]

*laughs* Or that, or that.

Like I said to unravels, though, that might well work for Crowley but not so much for Aziraphale... not until the end of the book, in any case.

And I use this icon because traditional angel and demon, yes, but... they're costumes.

I'm so deep. XD

[linnpuzzle.livejournal.com]

Like I said to unravels, though, that might well work for Crowley but not so much for Aziraphale... not until the end of the book, in any case.

Am in total agreement to what you said to her. Before the whole poll thing, I was considering a feather for Aziraphale and sunglasses for Crowley because of the stereotypes. Crowley's more about being himself than being a demon, while Aziraphale seems to take pride in being an angel (at times, at least. When he's not forced to deal with the other occupants of heaven and their rules). Aziraphale is still my favourite, though, for reasons I can't really put my finger on. He's just as unsuited for the stereotype as Crowley is, except he's reserved and better at diverting attention from himself. So the feather idea really wouldn't have worked.

I miss you! Are you still feeling not-very-social, or is there a possibility of poking you on AIM sometime?

[ajodasso.livejournal.com]

...yeah, a definite no on the halo and pitchfork.

(Even a book and the Bentley symbol would work well. Crowley's so much about his car at times that it seems only appropriate.)

[midnight-violet.livejournal.com]

i have not thieved k-nives, no i have not.....i have completely forgotten to hand my key in though. oops. posting it shall i be.

[maggiebloome.livejournal.com]

A halo over a cup of tea?

I think I could see Crowley doing something sardonic with a pitchfork. Maybe tending a garden with one XP or using it as a hat-stand.